Many who believe the Twin Towers were not brought down by jet fuel alone are quick to suggest the U.S. government took part in the attack.
But I am of the opinion that George Bush and his immediate team were not in on 9-11. I do not feel confident a plan to strike fear into the American people would have ever included portrayal of a government as ineptly prepared or revealed a President as cowardly.
In the kind of irony no scriptwriter could imagine, it recently made news when Senators examined incriminating vote-caging lists Karl Rove's chief aide mistakenly sent to his nemesis at georgewbush.org, a parody site selling anti-Bush t-shirts and bumper stickers. But even more revealing was the video tape made during the moments 9-11 was unfolding, showing a humble schoolteacher with a very special guest in her classroom.
It is unfortunate the tape become the centerpiece of Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 911 film as Moore's controversial take on the event overshadowed the drama the raw footage surely had on it's own. Indeed Moore talked right over the clip, which showed George Bush inexplicaby sitting on his ass as American cities burned.
Moore's narrative may be right on the mark - well reasoned speculation that Bush immediately knew it was blowback - payback for our own black bag operations abroad. Surely the clip was much more important on it's own. I believe if every American could have been alone with their thoughts as they first saw that timestamped video, this world would be a better place right now. Moore's "gotcha" moment won him an Oscar and millions in the bank, but deprived America of a chance to make up their own minds on footage Bush surely would never want seen.
Brain research shows most people are extremely resistant to changing beliefs once set, though when they do, are far more likely to based on conclusions made themselves rather then coming from others. This phenomenon of mass psychology was the cornerstone of Reagan's campaign strategies.
In August of 2006 a Vanity Fair article detailing the NORAD tapes of September 11 showed a government dangerously unequipped for the terror in the skies. The greater purpose of propaganda stunts like Hitler's fire in the Reichstag or the frame-up of Nicaraguan rebels is not to villify the enemy as much as to make the leaders look like saviors. The NORAD jet fighters were so slow to react in our defense during 9-11, the US government tried to prevent the response time from reaching the public. Even today, parts of the audio remains secret. But when I discovered Bush was supposed to have been in contact with NORAD commanders standing by to approve a shootdown of hijacked passenger jets, it affirmed what I'd felt when I first saw the "My Pet Goat tape". That Bush was frozen with indecision.
If the US Government knew about 9-11 at any level, only Bush's worst enemy would have coordinated it so he and his whole staff looked so pathetically unprepared and inept to defend us in any way, from the missed daily briefings to the paralysis during the attacks. The ineffectiveness in apprehending Osama bin Laden suggests White House scriptwriters did not figure him to be the heavy in this story - rather they wanted Saddam. Were Bush involved in 9-11, intel would have been fixed around the idea that the hijackers indeed had ties to Iraq. The evidence connecting 9-11 to Saddam was a day late and a dollar short. A pre-existing conspiracy would have cooked up any number of ties leading us right to Saddam's door. Therefore Bush couldn't have been in on 9-11.
Though Bush's contempt for the Constitution emerged in any case, the 9-11 attacks remain unexplained and unavenged, prompting Americans like me to wonder whether further rationale for impeachment might include Bush's ineffectiveness in pursuing America's enemies.
http://www.opednews.com/author/author3098.html
GW is a proud American from NY State, concerned about ethics issues, media manipulation and the influence of corporations on healthy lifestyles. He has recently changed careers to become an inner city schoolteacher. A firm proponent of curbing overpopulation and international adoption, he hopes to adopt a third child and enjoys history, outsider art, garage punk music and rare records.
There are still these conspiracy idiots who think that the Murrah bombing was an action with help from the FEDS whose offices were in the building. I feel sorry for the Muslims in the U.S. who still believe that the Twin Towers was an inside job. Last year I put in google, bombs+twin towers, and hundreds of thousands of website were hit. There is probably many more, now.
Bush and his crew were into presidentialing (basking in their glory) and celebrating than reading warning messages. Unfortunately, Bush just happened to be the president and is a man who still thinks reading-level books are like "My Pet Goat." The man still doesn't read summations from all directions each day. Why should he? He's too busy, putting his feet on the desk, smoking a cigar. Reminds me of the EASY BUTTON commercial, only we should be saying, "You're fired!"
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ccharpman (40 articles, 0 quicklinks, 49 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 2:01:08 AM
... relying on abuse the way they do. 9/11 wasn't an inside job? You mean those 19 Arabs planted those explosives? What explosives?! You mean you don't know about the explosives?! My advice: Do a bit of research before you open your mouth again. Start here: http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/110.html.
Robert_Hoogenboom (@leftfoot.com.au) Sydney, Australia
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R_Hoogenboom (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 13 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 8:36:23 AM
There are still these conspiracy idiots who think that the Murrah bombing was an action with help from the FEDS whose offices were in the building."
Yeah "idiots" like Air Force Brigadier General Bentin Partin who spent 25 years designing ordnance for the Air Force, then personally investigated the Murrah building. What a doofus, saying that demolition charges severed columns, and that the blasts weren't radially emanating from the truck bomb location. What a maroon, that he told every member of congress and every media outlet, and they wouldn't investigate further. This putz actually wrote a huge report on it, that coincided with the numerous live TV reports that day about the bomb squad removing bombs from the building!
You are just so smart for seeing through all that.
VIDEO: Local News from Oklahoma City Bombing unequivically disputes government's story
"I feel sorry for the Muslims in the U.S. who still believe that the Twin Towers was an inside job. Last year I put in google, bombs+twin towers, and hundreds of thousands of website were hit. There is probably many more, now."
Too moronic to respond to.
"Bush and his crew were into presidentialing (basking in their glory) and celebrating than reading warning messages. "
His "crew" are just so incompetent they stole two presidencies and a midterm, burned the constitution and started several illegal wars of aggression -- with impunity. You have no idea what you're talking about.
There are still these conspiracy idiots who think that the Murrah bombing was an action with help from the FEDS whose offices were in the building."
Yeah "idiots" like Air Force Brigadier General Bentin Partin who spent 25 years designing ordnance for the Air Force, then personally investigated the Murrah building. What a doofus, saying that demolition charges severed columns, and that the blasts weren't radially emanating from the truck bomb location. What a maroon, that he told every member of congress and every media outlet, and they wouldn't investigate further. This putz actually wrote a huge report on it, that coincided with the numerous live TV reports that day about the bomb squad removing bombs from the building!
You are just so smart for seeing through all that.
VIDEO: Local News from Oklahoma City Bombing unequivically disputes government's story
"I feel sorry for the Muslims in the U.S. who still believe that the Twin Towers was an inside job. Last year I put in google, bombs+twin towers, and hundreds of thousands of website were hit. There is probably many more, now."
Too moronic to respond to.
"Bush and his crew were into presidentialing (basking in their glory) and celebrating than reading warning messages. "
His "crew" are just so incompetent they stole two presidencies and a midterm, burned the constitution and started several illegal wars of aggression -- with impunity. You have no idea what you're talking about.
when folks tediously (ad nauseum) propose the limited hang out excuse of Bush incompetence.
Whether one views Bush as 'fully informed' or simply a high level elitists' middle manager kept out of the full loop, the proof of complicity of elements of our government in 911 is simply overwhelming now.
You can throw out all the ad homs you wish (such as "conspiracy idiots) but those only point to the paucity of reason in one's argument.
And you can either argue the data or you can avoid it. But there is no respect to be had in avoidance.
Interestingly, supporters of the Official Conspiracy Theory are particularly reluctant to defend it in an open forum: E.g.,
Thom Hartmann's 9/11 Debate Challenge
submitted by reprehensor on tue, 06/19/2007 - 2:03pm.
debate
Nationally syndicated progressive talk show host Thom Hartmann, (Air America), has issued a challenge to those researching 9/11.
He wants a representative from the skeptics of the Government's "Official Conspiracy Theory", the "OCT", and a defender of the OCT, to come on his show at the same time, and debate their positions in a civil manner.
Hartmann tasked his producer approximately 6 months ago to find a well-known defender of the OCT to accept the terms of the debate, and not a single one would. On Friday, June 15, Hartmann renewed his challenge on air, and noted that the problem seems to lay with the OCT defenders, who won't come on the show at the same time as the skeptics, and won't take calls from the public following a few rounds of debate.
On Monday, June 18, Hartmann renewed the call again;
"I mentioned on the program a couple days ago that we tried to put together a program about 9/11 where we wanted to get on the folks from Popular Mechanics, or some variation, someone who would take the position of the 9/11 Commission... and get some representatives from the 9/11 Truth community of one of its variations, and Dave, my producer came on and said we couldn't find anybody who would come on and debate.
First of all we can't find anybody, NOBODY has contacted us (on the OCT side), and we've contacted a number of them, the magazine (Popular Mechanics) wouldn't do it... would come on and take that position, and so... to have somebody come on and say, "it was a controlled demolition", and not to have somebody on the other side say, "no, wait a minute, here", it wouldn't be a discussion, it just be... bad.
It's amazing, I've gotten several hundred emails over the last couple days in consequence of that, many of them people saying, "I'd be glad to come on", I'd be glad to debate... all of them on the conspiracy side of it...
...I am absolutely neutral on this. I'm neutral because I went through this with the Kennedy assassination...
I'm calling for serious investigation of this (9/11) and I'm really pleased to see a community forming trying to find out, not just what happened with buildings 1 and 2, but why did this happen? Who was asleep at the switch? How many warnings did Bush get? Why did he ignore them?
There are these weird coincidences, Bush's oil company was funded by Osama bin Laden's brother, another one of his brothers was having breakfast with his father the morning of 9/11, and these things just make you scratch your head... you know, "what is going on?"
So I just want to put it out, I don't need anymore emails telling me how terrible so-and-so is, or that movie's the bad one, this is the good one, we've got enough of those, enough already, we got it.
And if anybody can get somebody from the "there was no conspiracy, it was just these 19 guys with boxcutters", and "it was all Osama bin Laden", if somebody can someone from that group to come on the program, and debate... then let us know."
What's the problem? An earnest, honest, open, nationally-broadcast debate, with a neutral moderator. Isn't this a dream situation? If the OCT is so rock-solid, what's the issue?
David Ray Griffin is willing to debate someone with an established track-record on Hartmann's show, like "anyone from NIST, the 9/11 Commission, the US government, or even Popular Mechanics".
If the only OCTer willing to step up wishes to focus on the official collapse theory, then Kevin Ryan is happy to oblige.
Arguably, David Ray Griffin and Kevin Ryan are two of the most well-known and articulate proponents of skepticism of the OCT, therefore, any OCTer willing to go on Hartmann's show should come from the OCT "A-list": NIST, the 9/11 Commission, the US government, or Popular Mechanics.
The "B-list" would be published authors like The Progressive's Matthew Rothschild, Rolling Stone'sMatt Taibbi, or Counterpunch's Alexander Cockburn. These authors in particular have abused their pulpits, putting out very biased pieces in condemnation of 9/11 skeptics.
Will this be a repeat of Ed Haas' call to the "A-list", who refused to come to the National 9/11 Debate?
If you have direct contact with someone from the A-list, or would care to pass this challenge on to Rothschild, Taibbi, or Cockburn, please do. All they have to do to accept is get in touch with the Thom Hartmann show.
(One OCT defender, Manuel Garcia, has already declined. Oh, and "paging David Dunbar", Kevin Ryan is waiting to hear from you!)
reprinted by medicis on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 6:44:18 AM
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medicis (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 130 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 6:52:53 AM
I generally agree with you that 9-11 is more about the total incompetence of the Bush Administration, which was totally focused on Saddam Hussein to the exclusion of all other threats. However, your point that Michael Moore's narration over Bush's inexplicable actions in the minutes after he was notified of the attacks defines it to the exclusion of any other interpretation is going a little bit overboard. Give the viewer some credit for the ability to think for themself. For example, my take on it was a person so far out of his depth he just sat there helplessly thinking, "What the hell do I do now?" It was if he was waiting for someone to tell him what to do. Bill Maher has a different take. There is no one defining explanation, except that he sat there with a hopelessly dumb look on his face.
We will always be subject to conspiracy theorists concerning these kind of catastropic events. I've just finished Gerald Posner's book debunking the various conspiracy theories associated with the assassination of Dr. King, Killing the Dream. Yet, Judge Joe Brown turned his involvement in the case into a long running TV show (Killing the Dream, pps 321-324.) In the case of 9-11, they point to the fact that no skyscraper ever collapsed in that fashion before and, in the case of 7 WTC (since rebuilt), it wasn't hit. They ignore facts like 7 was fatally damaged by the collapse of the North Tower (I forget which tower was 1 and which was 2) and that there was a common foundation which also doomed 7 along with 6 just as 3 went with the collapse of the South Tower) Only 4 and 5 WTC were left standing in a greatly damaged state and had to be demolished because they were beyond the point of salvage. People also forget that World Financial Center, across West Street from WTC, also suffered serious damage and had to undergo major repairs, especially to the Winter Garden. However, there will always be a few that will not allow facts to get in the way of a good story.
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kenbarr (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 14 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 7:29:54 AM
People need to think: if the government/media did 9/11, wouldn't it make sense for them to create misleading/false information in the media to distract people from what really happened?
99% of the "alternate theory" information in the media is pure propaganda. i.e. All those reports of war games and NORAD standing down. Nothing but propaganda! NORAD didn't stand down because there were no planes for them to stand down for. And whether or not there were war games on 9/11 is irrelevant. Another distraction is the melting point of steel.
WTC 7 was the most obvious picture perfect controlled demolition in history. But the WTC 7 implosion is a red herring and promoted by the media to steer peoples' thinking away from other issues.
For those who care to see the obvious, it is required to not have any predeterminations and to not make assumptions. If you consider a thought or idea "crazy", then you will never understand 9/11.
9/11 was a PSYOP designed to strip away our liberties (Patriot Act) and get into the Middle East. Everything the government and media said about 9/11 is a lie. Every ... single ... bit ... of ... it.
People must start looking at information for themselves instead of automatically trusting government sponsored reports.
The best evidence is evidence that's confirmed by all other evidence.
i.e. There is absolutely no evidence that the Twin Towers "collapsed". All evidence shows that the towers were pulverized. This post here demonstrates this very clearly. (Note that when I say pulverized, I'm not only referring to the concrete, but also the structural steel.) http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=57
Again, I emphasize that the best evidence is evidence that is backed by all other evidence. There are no photos that contradict the photographs in that link. If you think you can find any, by all means try!
Now...... back to those war games and NORAD standing down: Aluminum airplanes don't glide through steel and concrete buildings. And even they did, the plastic nosecone wouldn't pop out out the other side. Yet that's exactly what the WTC 2nd hit videos show! I urge everybody to watch the new 9/11 "film September Clues". This film contains NEW analysis: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8045542387672451515
Another item of interest is:
Technology Review Magazine Discusses How the Military and TV Networks Can Insert Prerecorded Images Into Live News Feed to Alter World Politics: http://www.911researchers.com/node/174
Some may ask: what about the thousands of eyewitnesses who saw planes hitting the towers? Well, my response is: What thousands of eyewitnesses? There is no evidence that thousands of eyewitnesses saw planes hitting the towers. Let's not make assumptions not based on fact!
There were no hijackings on 9/11. Do we remember all those reports of the so-called "hijackers" drinking alcohol, doing drugs, and visiting strip bars before 9/11? Those activities are against Islam and no Muslim terrorist would dare partake in them before a suicide mission for God out of fear of being damned to hell.
that GW Bush was probably not fully "in the loop" (it's tempting to think Cheney was, but perhaps not); that there really was a conspiracy, probably organized by Bin Ladden, for the 19 hijackers to slam planes into the buildings;that it was known in advance by members of the administration, who deliberately supressed any possible preventions of this plot, but were not known to the plotters; that the buildings were demolished to amplify greatly the effect of the original plot.
The central thesis of my beliefs is the high probability that the buildings were brought down by pre-planted explosives. Everything else is up for grabs, until a thorough investigation is conducted, which will probably never happen.
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maxwell (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 21 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 8:00:15 AM
But there were no pre-planted explosives. That's just propaganda.
The towers were destroyed with directed energy weapon technology, as former Professor of Mechanical Engineering Dr Judy Wood shows. The evidence is child's play:
After having studied 9/11 for over a year don't even bother to come up with claims. You can claim all you want but I won't buy it, I won't even discuss it because I can't do anything else on this medium but to present counterclaims. All I want to see is evidence! And the evidence presented on quite a few documentaries like 'loose change,' '9/11 mysteries' and '9/11 press for truth' is totally convincing. And your claims do absolutely nothing to change that.
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han (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 80 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 8:07:12 AM
Those three films you mentioned are being used by the 9/11 perps to disctract people from the real evidence. See my other posts in this thread for the real deal.
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CB_Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 27 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 8:16:48 AM
It has been my uninformed opinion that we were watching a man that registered no surprise. Did he have prior, but only general, knowledge of a catastrophe pending? He gives the appearnce of a man waiting for the shoe to drop. If that was the case, then prior general arrangements must have been made as a response strategy. There was nothing the President could do that had not been put place already. Perhaps the scope surprised everyone later. He might have been expecting a disaster involving one plane (and not necessarily a plane) so there was nothing to do. Probably no one expected multiple attacks. Is there a reliable timeline of our response relative to notifying the President? He certainly was out of town, so to speak. When were those arrangements made? Probably months before.
I compare his reaction to those in the audience of the conference I was attending and the immediate reaction of people back when JFK was shot. Where was the "What? What are you talking about? Instead, we have "Thank you for the status update, what page am I on."
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bchalecki (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 13 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 9:14:36 AM
I don't believe that Bush is a good enough actor to feign the stupified facial expression, when he looked up from what for him was heavy reading. I doubt that Cheney would have trusted him to be in on it.
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PetetheProf (62 articles, 0 quicklinks, 394 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 10:19:49 AM
Wynn writes a long article about what you can deduce from looking at G W Bush's face when the news about 9/11 arrives. What a waste of brain power on something so vague! What about Mineta's testimony to the Commission? There is nothing vague about that. There is no doubt that Cheney knew all about what was going on and was in control.
The scientific evidence for explosives in all three buildings is indisputable. It is also indisputable that the US admin went to great lengths to remove and conceal evidence. Why would they do that if the evidence would lead to al Qaeda?
For peer reviewed papers which prove the above see:
If there was no conspiracy then why didn't the Secret Service secure the President? The fact that he was allowed to sit there looking like the Dumb-Ass that he is speaks volumes... seems obvious that someone somewhere knew he wasn't in any danger...
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JD1 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 11:05:28 AM
The horrific brilliance of 9-11 is comparable to a robbery that a perpetrator creates as a distraction rouse and then pulls off a hiest. I believe that these perpetrators worked together with Cheney, individual CIA operatives, and were bankrolled by large corporations who have huge investments in the Iraq war. The trillions hiested through the Iraq war alone is the fuel that burned down the towers. I know in my bones our USA citizenry has been highjacked. As to NORAD - Chaney took the controls of it on 9-11. I believe that in the complexity of this that our USA media has been hijacked by conflict of interests war material investments that keep them from asking any hard questions. So much for the minds of money hungry criminals.
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clarkent39 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 11:05:47 AM
The attacks of 9/11 were a vast conspiracy with many facets and players. Limiting the discussion to whether Bush and Cheney masterminded or planned 9/11, is a ridiculous way, to view such a complex criminal case. Criminal conspiracies like 9/11, can't take place, without the presence of highly placed traitors. 9/11, was no exception to this fact. Such operations, are usually highly compartmentalized, so one hand never knows, what the other hand is doing. All 9/11 players however, will have a specific role to play, or tasks to fulfill. In examining such a case, nothing is 'unthinkable' or off the table. This includes Bush and Cheney's complicity. Their complicity or innocence afterall, can only be determined by the actual facts and evidence of 9/11! It is irrelevant wether the public can bring itself to tackle such issues. Getting at the truth of 9/11 however, demands that we deal honestly, with the evidence, and let the chips fall where they may! Denial, and blind faith in government, have no business in any serious discussion of 9/11. The key issue, relevant to Bush and Cheney's 9/11 complicity, is therefore, what if anything, did they knowingly or unknowingly do, to facilitate the 9/11 attacks, or the ongoing cover-up? When things are viewed in this manner, the complicity of both Bush, and Cheney, if it happened, will be easily uncovered. It can be safely said, that if the evidence of the case should show, that Bush and Cheney's actions, in any way facilitated, or covered up evidence in the 9/11 attacks, they can both be seen as knowingly, or unknowingly complicit, in the attacks. In such cases as 9/11, dupes and pawns, are just as guilty as willing traitors.
It is a fact of the 9/11 case, that both Bush, and Cheney, clearly facilitated the 9/11 attacks by key actions on their part, before, and during, the attacks. This entailed actions that both crippled the nation's ability to thwart the attacks before they occurred, as well as halt the attacks, once under way. After the attacks, both Bush and Cheney were instrumental in seeing to it, that a proper and legal investigation of 9/11, never took place! Instead they orchestrated the classic whitewash, of the so-called "9/11 Commission". Complex psychological operations like 9/11 can only be mounted by governments with appropriate resources. Any idea, that an outfit such as "Al Qaeda" could do a 9/11 all by itself, is really too ridiculous, to even be taken seriously! It therefore stands to reason, that any government deploying resources for a 9/11 type operation against it's own people, must of course, be infiltrated by traitors, in key positions of power. The U.S. government has been damaged by such infiltration by traitors, before. By the same token, both Bush, and Cheney, by their actions, clearly need to be investigated for treason, in connection with the 9/11 case. Enough hard evidence actually exists, to make both men, prime suspects, in any formal criminal investigation, of the 9/11 attacks.
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acheh (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 62 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 11:35:14 AM
"It is a fact of the 9/11 case, that both Bush, and Cheney, clearly facilitated the 9/11 attacks by key actions on their part, before, and during, the attacks."
Let's discuss this, but carefully. What "facts" lead you to "clearly" believe Bush knew about the 9-11 attack beforehand.
If he was involved, do you thing he purposely did NOT fabricate evidence that Iraq was involved? He easily could have with some advance knowledge. Bush sure seemed un-presidential when he had to withdraw statements saying Iraq was connected to 9-11. Do you believe was that part of his plan?
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WWJD (22 articles, 8 quicklinks, 21 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 12:30:53 PM
Or....what is Bush ? He's a puppet, a decoy, a nobody. Why the focus on Bush and the entity you see as "the Govt." ? Think outside of the box for a change. Revert your focus away from Dubya and the goons you see on TV and in the papers.
CB, this area is similar with a playground out back of a Kindergarten when it comes to 9/11. With the info you've presented, you're stepping up to bat and looking for a grand slam homerun. Hell, most readers here are still learning to hold the friggin bat right ! Their shoes still squeek !
All, look not into the details of the who, what, how and where. Look at the grand picture : cui bono ? And pls try to rid your minds of any and all prejudices ( a nearly impossible task ! ). Dr. Wood mentions high energy "from above" and people hear "laser beams from outer space". Uh uh, NOT what Judy said. It's worth looking into...Judy's website i.e. I also suggest you tune in to Prof. Jim Fetzer's radio broadcasts. I'm not a fan of the GCN but Jim is real and he won't back down.
"Laser beams", huh. One guy asked me "if they have such advanced weaponry, why would they send our children to war...on the ground ? Why not just zap the Taliban into kingdom come ?"
My reply : "it makes them richer than they already are."
If we could only get past 1st base...people ; it's what they wanted, what they needed and it came when the needed it....not one moment too soon and not one day too late.
1st base : THEY LET IT HAPPEN ON PURPOSE (LIHOP)
Play Ball !
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rossini (4 articles, 5 quicklinks, 290 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 12:49:01 PM
to plan the WTC...but that doesn't mean he isn't capable of signing off on it...or that he knew and did nothing, because he believes that being the most powerful person on earth is his birth right and destiny. A conspiracy is certainly not above his M.O...some one else could have planned it, with the full knowledge, even the blessing of this administration...he certainly saw and took advantage of the situation...secrecy, corruption, spying, warring, curtailing civil liberties, ignoring laws, vote fraud, turn the DOJ and the IRS into vigilante entities, destroy the government by appointing incompetent cronies and then saying "see government is not working, lets privatize it"...all in the name of "security"....just about set himself and his cronies up as a Dictatorship...and if the Democratic party doesn't grow some hair down there, he will "get 'er done", while we stand around like sheep and watch
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Chabuka (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 19 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 1:20:21 PM
...with some of this shit? I mean, directed energy weapons, laser beams, ET? Come on! Can you not see that putting forth such ridiculous, completely unfounded arguments makes everyone who believes there's more to 9/11 than meets the eye look like an idiot?
Why the need for these grand esoteric ideas and barely this side of insane arguments when all one needs to do is watch the towers fall to know they were brought down by simple controlled implosions? Use the KISS principle: KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID! There were no flying saucers in the pictures, just puffs of smoke indicative of explosives planted to bring down a building. There were no laser beams, particle beams, or other silly, ridiculous extraterrestrial/science fiction weapons around that day, just good old Thermite explosive.
Could DUBYA have been involved? Yes, but obviously, not in a planning or strategizing sense. He's far too dim for such nuance and skulduggery. Could Dick(LESS) been involved? Yes, considering the blood-sucking, soul eating, psychic vampire that he is, I wouldn't put it past him.
There is much that is not being told to us about 9/11. At this point, we will probably never know the full story unless someone with a video of a planning session were to suddenly release this damning video to the media. Frankly, I really don't see that happening. There are a lot of people who have a lot riding on keeping us ignorant on the real issue of who brought down the buildings on 9/11. Some of these people are insane and violent enough to make sure their crime remains undercover.
While DUBYA may not have been involved in planning the event, I am sure that he had some knowledge that the game was afoot. This is a sad, awful event in our history. I am sure that time will prove that there is a LOT more to the story than what we have been told. This truth may come out. However, I won't hold my breath until this happens. I don't look good with a bluish tint to my skin.
Blessed be! Pappy
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pappy_mcfae (43 articles, 0 quicklinks, 146 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 2:00:03 PM
you've jumped to the same conclusions I mentioned above.....although I clearly pointed out how people tend to immediately overexaggerate and blow out of porportion what is being said. Without looking into the links CB posted above, you say you'd like to have video evidence yet all you have to do is watch the one google clip CB linked. Have you ever taken the time to look into Judy Wood's webpage ?
On the other hand, Pappy, you are way past 1st base. My message is for us to keep it simple but at the same time I don't appreciate it when some of us hang on to things no matter what .....our convictions...if I may ; standing our ground. Do you see what I'm getting at ?
Let us agree on 1st base. LIHOP. Is this not a reason to put a lot of people behind bars for treason ??? Why no investigation ??? Why only promotions ??? Because it was a JOB WELL DONE, by America's finest....
members of the controlled media and the "governmental" agencies they work for.
I can dig what you're saying but I also see the danger of a stagnation of the truth. We've got to collect all info and carefully sift through it....while keeping our focus on the big picture and the ultimate question ; cui bono ? If some of this stuff is bullshit, then it's bullshit. But pls don't label it as BS before checking it out....and hey, why the exaggerations ? UFOs ? WTF ? Who mentioned those ?
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rossini (4 articles, 5 quicklinks, 290 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 3:00:13 PM
btw, your thermite theory is no longer supported by S. Jones, J. Fetzer or J. Woods. Nor is the "controlled demolition" supported by each of the a.m. as in "use of conventional explosives". It all turned to dust much too quick for all that.
Pappy, pls look into R&D of laser weaponry. Look into SBL as in Space Based Laser systems..again ...R&D.
Now, you've done the reserach. It only takes a solid day or a week if you're super busy with other shite on a daily basis....like surviving e.g.
Ask yourself if the US military has ever announced new weaponry ....high tech stuff......within months of the R&D. You'll find they conceal any and all new sytems DECADES before they are forced to leak bits and pieces of info....unless the info is deliberate deterrent propaganda.
So why not use these new weapons in Iraq instead of sending ground troops in ? You supply the answer.
I'm not saying this is fact. I'm saying you shouldn't rule it out in the same manner you would swat at a fly. Not without digesting it first.
by
rossini (4 articles, 5 quicklinks, 290 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 3:14:28 PM
It's Not About Bush, But The Gullibility of The Public!
The complete lack of accountability for 9/11, is a key indicator of a high level conspiracy, and cover-up. The involvement of powerful criminal interests, and their stooges, is seen, by the manner in which, the Dems, GOP, and media, have been commandeered, to protect the real 9/11 conspirators. As POTUS, Bush is merely a stooge, of the true conspirators, not a mastermind, nor a planner. He says, and does, whatever he's told. It makes no difference whatsoever, how he may look, or sound, doing this, because the public is for the most part far dumber, than Bush appears to be! The bottom line, is that he and his administration, have been completely protected, from any, and all, 9/11 accountability. At the very least, the Bush administration is guilty of criminal negligence for 9/11. At worst, treason! In spite of this fact, no one, in this administration, has been held accountable in anyway, shape, or form. On the contrary, Bush has been instead, elevated to a nascent dictator, in order to better protect him, and his key advisors, from such accountability. Unfortunately, the U.S. today, has become a crook's, and fool's, paradise!
The contemporary U.S. public, appears far too gullible and unprepared, to deal with such fundamental threats, as the influence of criminal special interests, on politicians and government. To many Americans, the idea of 9/11 complicit traitors, operating from the highest levels of the U.S. government, is so far fetched, it appears incredible, or even crazy! One has to wonder what planet these people live on? The subversion of governments, by corrupt politicians, and traitors, is an ever-present threat, to all governments, ever to exist on this earth! Such idiotic thinking, actually makes it easier, for real high level traitors, and other operatives, to avoid exposure, and thereby get away with their crimes. The 9/11 case, is a perfect example of how the agenda of powerful criminal elements, can induce a corrupt government, to perpetrate great atrocities, against their own nation! In spite of the enormity of such crimes, they get away with it, simply because the public, refuses to believe, that respected officials, could ever do such a thing! There is no valid reason, why anyone should hold such an irrational viewpoint. The public evidently, has a lot of growing up to do, if they ever hope to make it, through this 21st century era, of universal deceit! Because of the world-class deception, and lies, of the official 9/11 story, the key to understanding the 9/11 case, is therefore about, refraining from the idiotic pretense, that corruption, and traitors, at the highest levels of government, only occurs in the movies!
by
acheh (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 62 comments)
on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 4:12:40 PM
"No Planes hit the towers, there were no incendiary devices or bombs used, Steven Jones has backed away from his thermate hypothesis, directed energy beams brought down the buildings..."
--It’s all disinformation; intended to discredit the "911 truth movement." VERY FEW in “the movement” buy into any of this stuff.
Here is a recent presentation by Steven Jones regarding x-ray spectrometry analysis of "previously molten metal" found in the debris of all three buildings. Does this sound like a man backing away from a “thermate” hypothesis? I don't think so.
Jones' research has been proven faulty. He uses known doctored photos and fails to take allthe available evidence into consideration. He's also a Cold Fusion fraud who sabotaged free energy research. All this can be understood by anyone who actually takes the time to look at the information. Of course, there are people out who try to distract us from looking at the information. Don't fall for them! Look at the information for yourself. Use your own brain and draw your own conclusion. Proof that Steven Jones is a Cold Fusion and 9/11 fraud is here. All the information is sourced: http://www.911researchers.com/node/125
Steven Jones and his "pal" Greg Jenkins have spent a lot of time attempting to discredit Dr Judy Wood and her clear evidence of directed energy weapon usage at the World Trade Center on 9/11. Is it coincidence that both Jones and Jenkins have direct ties to Los Alamos where directed energy weapons are researched? Is it coincidence that Jenkins has ties to the NSA? See here for proof: http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/Jenkins_transcript.html
Is it also coincidence that another so-called "prominent" person in the truth movement is former Directer of the Star Wars program, Dr Robert Bowman? No... Bowman does not talk about the evidence for Star Wars directed energy weapons at the WTC. Instead, he distracts people with nonsense about how long it takes NORAD to scramble jets.
So, there we have three people with direct ties to directed energy weapon technology, and each one of them tries to distract us from the directed energy weapon evidence at the WTC!
Only directed energy weapons can account for the following data:
*Clean surgical cut on the north wing of WTC 4, all building material on other side of this wing is missing. This cut just happens to be in a direct path of the north wall of the south tower.
*round cylindrical holes in WTC 5 and 6
*toasted cars in explicable patterns that only directed energy weapons can explain. i.e. missing engine blocks, unexploded gas tanks, toasted fronts, pristine rears.
Steven Jones and his thermite distraction cannot explain the evidence!
The 9/11 Truth Movement is filled with agents whose job is to distract people from looking at directed energy weapon evidence. Three of them, Jones. Jenkins, and Bowman, just happen to have direct ties to this technology! Coincidence???
Dr Judy Wood and her directed energy weapon evidence is picking up and becoming more and more popular!Why? Because people are taking the time to look at the simple and straightforward evidence.
