I would beg to differ on the phraseology ( only)

'Using a terror that makes Nazi Germany look mannerly and compassionate..'

The situation in the Palestinian  territories is abhorrent and  there is  a terrible, unjistified oppression taking place there perpetrated by the occupiers. This, though  does not make the Nazi Germany 'look mannerly', sorry. Slavomir Mrozek said ,'Nazism can take place anywhere, but Germans were the classics'. That means they are the reference point, the standard, etc. No, the occupation of Palestine is far- far away from the Minsk starvation, blockade of Leningrad, Baby Yar massacre,  Edwabno killings, Khatun burnings alive, Oradur burnings alive, Lvov pogrom, etc.  That, of course, does not mean   it is' better' or ' more humane'. No, on the contrary; if  such things happen,  we  should engage all the comparisons. But... maybe fortunate for all of us, the 'German evil' is still  a very distant...reference.

by Mark Sashine (55 articles, 19 quicklinks, 256 diaries, 3701 comments) on Friday, June 1, 2007 at 8:40:01 AM
 

I would beg to differ

I would beg to differ with you. The main difference between the German atrocities and the current atrocities is that the Germans practiced it on Europeans. that's what mades it the worst in history not the actual atrocites themselves. What is happening today is against peoples whom well known Zionist and American apologists consider primitive. In their minds the German atrocities were much more heinous because of whom they were aimed at not because of what they were.

by Archie (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1336 comments) on Friday, June 1, 2007 at 11:30:06 AM
 

Kind Killing

I used the term intentionally because we need to reconsider the present understanding of the chain of causality that occured in Nazi Germany.

Genocide and ethnic cleansing are both terms that mean the same thing. These are strategies used to steal wealth or remove people from resources that the perpetrator wants to possess. It is not the word that matters, it is the motivations that drive the acts.

Nazi Germany killed many people, those with disabilities, Gypsies, gays, anyone they considered to be inferior - or who had property they wanted to steal. The killing took place to steal or free up resources in accordance with policy set by the Nazi regime. Greed was the bottom line. Killing is always ugly but if you don't kill them they may be in a position someday to get their property back.

That being said we need to remember that there was no justification for then allowing a Zionist grab of land in Palestine. None. If there was a just claim for compensation for victims of the Nazi regime it was not owed by Palestine. If those due compensation wanted land it should have been in Germany or elsewhere acquired by purchase. No one has a right to use violence except to protect their rights. Here, there were no rights to protect.

We learn before we go to Kindergarden that you can't steal from another kid because a larger kid stole from you. That is just one of the troubling things we see in the chain of causality now working its way through time. Millions of innocent civilians were murdered during the course of WWII. They were all people, all valuable, every one of them. How many Pols have been compensated? How many Gypsies?

There is an Animal Farmish aspect to all of this. Like some pigs are better than other pigs.

We learn about people's values by observing what they do. All actions are carried out by individuals; I think it is time to consider what the world should do about Palestine. We have examples to follow.

The Neurenberg Trials were about the fact that you cannot hide behind the coloration of authority and carry out actions that violate the tenets of simple decency. Today individuals who cooperated with the Death Camps in Germany are still being hunted down. The Death Camps were a genocide.

A genocide in slow motion is taking place in Palestine today; it had to be slow so the world could accustom itself and the humanity of those dying could be cancelled out by the elegant use of disinformation that is destroying the humanity of those who are Islamic.

When do the Trials begin? Where will be hold them? I prefer Geneva.

by Melinda Pillsbury-Foster (141 articles, 1 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 121 comments) on Friday, June 1, 2007 at 11:36:49 AM
 

I reply here to both comments

I am in agreement  about  the nature of what is happening now in Palestine. In fact , if  you read my ' slimy love' series under Mark Sashine diaries, you will see that I wrote practically the same. And the premise about  greed being the  the primary cause in both cases is very true.   But I do have to mention that  one section of the Nazi policies was to present the people they killed as 'primitive', those who due to their inferiority and ' eternal evilness' has no  right to live. And most of the places of the massacres ( I was born and lived  my childhood near Baby Yar) are  not  really in Western Europe but on the Slavic Territories. It is the methodology that counts.  That methodology of extermination perpetrated by Germans and their allies so far   has not been... used again ( not a very good word, I suppose).  Again, it does not  mean that  right now  other methodologies are not effectively used, like  'kind killing', which is so true or nuclear bombardment, for instance.  But we maybe haave to face the uncomfortable fact that  people are the same everywhere and anyone is capable of anything,  sadly to say.

I would like also to  mention that Zionism  is a political movement, extreme in its  roots and as such they reject all the Jewish people who prefer secularity. This gives a horrible twist to the Holocaust: the overwhelming majority of those Jewish people who died were secular,  enlightened, many of them were atheists and communists.  Thus on  the  blood  of the secularity  the mushroom of Zionism strived and effectively hijacked the  tragedy.  Thus one anomaly  brings in another one.

 Again, I was just pointing at the phraseology;  I fully support the primary premise of the article.

Thanks

by Mark Sashine (55 articles, 19 quicklinks, 256 diaries, 3701 comments) on Friday, June 1, 2007 at 2:25:33 PM